I have to admit, I was deeply disappointed that Gilas
Pilipinas chose to be in Group A when it was the Pinoys’ time to choose their
preliminary grouping (one of our privileges as hosts) in the 2013 FIBA Asia
Men’s Championships Draw held a few days ago at the Manila Hotel.
Are you ready for the 2013 FIBA Asia tourney? (image from FIBAAsia.net) |
I believed, and still do, that the most
straightforward choice would have been going for Group D. This is not because
Group D has the lightest assignments in the preliminary round (that’s just
gravy). This is mainly because, for Gilas to maximize its chances of making the
tournament’s semifinals, avoiding knockout quarterfinal match-ups with,
historically, the top three teams in FIBA Asia – China, Iran, and South Korea –
should have been the top priority. In the last five FIBA Asia tourneys, China
finished on top thrice and second once, Iran topped the competition twice, and
SoKor finished in the top three in 2003, 2007, and 2011. Without glancing at
the FIBA Asia rankings, which includes performances in the FIBA Asia
Cup/Stankovic Cup (China and SoKor don’t usually play in this tourney – both
have a combined three appearances only), it’s apparent that those three
countries are the ones to avoid in the knockout phase.
And yet Gilas chose a path that offers a very small
window to actually meet that objective.
Now before I detail my beef with Gilas joining Group
A instead of Group D, here are some FACTS to throw at you guys:
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The consensus
TEN contenders for the three FIBA Asia slots to the 2014 FIBA World Cup are
(arranged according to FIBA Asia rankings): China, Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, South
Korea, Japan, Qatar, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Kazakhstan.
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SEVEN of those
teams will reportedly employ naturalized players for the 2013 FIBA Asia Men’s
Tournament: Lebanon (choosing among a handful, including Garnett Thompson,
Reyshawn Terry, and Loren Woods among others), Jordan (signed prolific swingman
Andre Emmett), SoKor (choosing between Korean-Americans Moon Tae-Yong and Lee
Seung-Jun), Japan (the uber-veteran JR Sakuragi will reprise his role), Qatar
(choosing among three guys – Trey Johnson, Boney Watson, and Jarvis Hayes),
Taiwan (working on the papers of Quincy Davis), and the Philippines (the
indomitable Marcus Douthit).
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Of the TEN teams
previously mentioned, Kazakhstan is the only one that didn’t qualify for the
2011 edition. It is also the only team that has failed to make the top 6 of the
tourney in all of the past five editions with the exception of 2007 – KAZ finished
7th in 2003, 10th in 2005, and 9th in 2009.
The Kazakhs haven’t seen a minute of action in any major FIBA Asia tournament
since the 2010 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup.
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Of the aforementioned
SEVEN teams that will be reinforced by naturalized players, SIX are in either
Group A or B. Only SoKor is not included. This means that when ALL SIX advance
to the second round and form Group E, THAT will be the tougher group compared
to Group F (combination of the top three teams from Groups C & D
respectively).
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Here’s how our
Philippine National Team has stacked against the other NINE teams from the
continent’s top ten (This is based on all major Asian tournaments -- Asian
Games, Jones Cup, FIBA Asia Cup/Stankovic Cup, and FIBA Asia Men’s Tournament
-- from 2009 till 2012):
GROUP E CONTENDERS
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TEAM PILIPINAS WIN-LOSS RECORD AGAINST THIS TEAM
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Taiwan
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8 wins & 1 loss
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Jordan
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3 wins & 5 losses
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Japan
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4 wins & 3 losses
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Lebanon
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1 win & 5 losses
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Qatar
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1 win & 5 losses
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OVERALL
TEAM PILIPINAS RECORD AGAINST GROUP E CONTENDERS:
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17 wins
& 19 losses
*It is
worth noting that all our games against the Taiwanese were played with them
having no naturalized player. All bets are off when they show up with Quincy
Davis.
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GROUP F CONTENDERS
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TEAM PILIPINAS WIN-LOSS RECORD AGAINST THIS TEAM
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China
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2 wins & 2 losses
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Iran
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3 wins & 7 losses
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South Korea
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0 wins & 6 losses
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Kazakhstan
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1 win & 0 losses
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OVERALL
TEAM PILIPINAS RECORD AGAINST GROUP F CONTENDERS:
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6 wins
& 15 losses
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So how can we put all these facts together?
The key was supposedly to avoid a QF clash with Samad Nikkhah Bahrami's dreaded Iranians. (image from sports.163.com) |
Here:
First let’s take a look at the expectations we would
have had if we joined Group D. Our target would have been to sweep Group D,
advance to Group F, and then aim for AT LEAST fourth place to enter the
quarterfinals facing any of the contenders from Group E and, at the same time,
avoiding any immediate knockout games against China, Iran, and South Korea (I
will now refer to them as the Terrible Trio).
Now, however, because we joined Group A, our goal is
to not only finish atop said group but also finish atop Group E in the second
round. Finishing lower than that means a knockout clash against one of the
Terrible Trio. And how do we finish atop Groups A and E? The most
straightforward thing is to sweep all six games in the first two rounds. That
means beating Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Jordan, Japan, Lebanon, and Qatar. SWEEP.
Losing one or two games means we’ll be counting on tie-breakers to try and lift
us to Group E’s top seed.
So which one would have been more doable – a modest
fourth place in Group F or getting first place in Group E? Considering EVERYTHING,
the answer is a no-brainer – the prospect of placing fourth in Group F would
have been the less risky choice. Again, this is considering how ALL Group E
contenders have naturalized players and we have pretty much a 50-50 chance
against either of them. Also, this is considering how we still have a decent
chance against any of the Terrible Trio, and we enjoy all overwhelming
advantages against a Kazakh team that has no naturalized player, that will be
playing on the road, that will be playing in a climate/atmosphere with which it
is unfamiliar, that will be playing high-level Asian hoops for the first time
in three years, and that will compete with its star player – Anton Ponomarev –
not 100%.
Another thing we might have considered was this – playing
the Terrible Trio early meant we would be able to see how we match-up against
them in a non-elimination context. Even if we did lose, we would probably be
able to make adjustments once we meet them again in the latter rounds. That
luxury, needless to say, no longer exists.
Still, we can barf over all those facts and arguments
and maintain how having homecourt edge, having a mostly pro-laden roster, and
finally having more size can help us reach that lofty Group E top spot.
What I cannot let pass, though, is how a lot of
people believe Group C is the dreaded “Group of Death.” This is grossly
inaccurate.
How can we define a “Group of Death” or GOD (how…
strange) anyway?
This: A group can be considered a GOD if AND ONLY IF
the # of CONTENDERS (strong teams) in said group EXCEEDS the # of teams supposed
to advance to the next round of competitions from the said group.
This is what happened in the 2007 FIBA Asia
Tournament in Tokushima, Japan, where SMC Team Pilipinas was grouped with
contenders Iran and Jordan and defending champ China. All four teams, despite
China sending its B Team, were considered contenders for the title. Indeed, all
six group games were quite close, and only TWO teams advanced to the next round
– Iran and Jordan. Eventually the Pinoys and Chinese romped through the
classification/consolation stages and met in the battle for ninth place, which
was copped by the Filipinos. Four contenders and two slots to the next round.
Now THAT is a bona fide GOD.
In the case of the 2013 FIBA Asia Men’s Tournament,
there is ABSOLUTELY NO preliminary group (from A to D) that fits the defining
characteristic of a GOD. There are four teams per group and THREE will advance
to the next round. This means that in order for a group to be labeled a GOD,
ALL FOUR teams must be considered contenders. Take a look at the following
(contenders have been marked with an asterisk - *):
Group A
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Group B
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Group C
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Group D
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Jordan*
Taiwan*
Saudi Arabia
Philippines*
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Qatar*
Japan*
Lebanon*
Hong Kong
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China*
South Korea*
Iran*
SEA team (TBD)
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Kazakhstan*
India
Bahrain
SEA Team (TBD)
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Conclusion: As far as the prelims go, THERE IS NO
GROUP OF DEATH.
BUT when we get to the second round, things change
DRAMATICALLY.
Take a look at the following projected second round
groupings (Please take note that each group has six teams, but only FOUR will
make it to the crossover quarterfinals):
Group E
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Group F
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Jordan*
Taiwan*
Philippines*
Qatar*
Japan*
Lebanon*
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China*
South Korea*
Iran*
Kazakhstan*
India
Bahrain
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Note: I picked India and Bahrain to advance from
Group D because both have improved A LOT since 201,1 and Bahrain will
reportedly also have a naturalized player in former Gilas candidate CJ Giles.
Unlike in 2011 when Malaysia broke through to the second round, no SEABA team
apart from Gilas will advance.
Now, if we revisit the characteristic of a GOD again,
we can see that – BOOM – there IS one GOD after all! And, looky here, it’s
GROUP E.
GROUP E IS THE REAL GROUP OF DEATH.
And we chose to be there.
Now, again, collectively, our Philippine NT is 17-19
against these teams. And we have to SWEEP them to ensure (without
complications) that we hit our target of NOT meeting the Terrible Trio in the
quarterfinals.
I will say it now – this was the far RISKIER choice.
There’s a part of me that thinks maybe we were more
afraid of Kazakhstan beating us (less probable) than all or most of the Group E
contenders beating us (quite probable). There’s a part of me that thinks we
might have underestimated the Group E contenders a little bit. I mean, up until
now, the only team “pundits” have considered THE major threat is Jordan. Jordan
IS a major threat, of course, but so are the other Group E teams. I would like
to point out that Qatar might actually be stronger than Jordan and that our
past eight wins against Taiwan should all be thrown out the window once they
show up with their naturalized big man (Quincy Davis plugs Taiwan’s donut hole –
historically its main weakness). Who has written about how strong these other teams
are bound to be? Hint: you’re reading him right now.
We may have overlooked how strong other Group E teams are going to be. (image from FIBAAsia.net) |
On the flipside, if there’s a Group E contender that
might underperform, it might actually be Lebanon. The Lebanese basketball
bigwigs are in a mess right now, and they resolved to cancel their ongoing pro
league to focus mainly on the formation of the NT. Somewhere along the way,
they realized things weren’t going the way they wanted. Fadi El Khatib might
not even play because of his son’s medical condition. Half-Australian Julian
Khazzouh probably won’t suit up because of his citizenship papers. Fadi’s heir apparent,
Ahmad Ibrahim, will probably not go to Manila because of his leg injury. Still,
these are the Lebanese. These guys have been quite successful in the past 10
years of FIBA Asia basketball. They will find a way to be competitive.
Does this mean the Gilas staff made the wrong
decision? Well, the answer will only be clear after all the games have been
played and after the dust settles. The most important component, after all, is
how the boys actually play on the court. If we do sweep Group E and march all
the way to Spain for the World Cup, then BOOM the draw will be a mere footnote –
a laughing matter. If not, however, then we will rue the day we chose A over D.
Having said that, I still implore any and all Pinoys
to come out and support our national team. Despite whatever circumstances we
have put ourselves in, we are still one country and one team. We sink or swim
together. We fight together. Come August, there should no longer be any
Barangay Ginebra, or TNT Nation, or Gatas Republik. It should all be Barangay
Gilas, Gilas Nation, or Gilas Republik.
It’s all about the Philippines now and, come to think
of it, we wouldn’t be Filipinos if we didn’t go for broke anyway.
Go big or bust.
That’s how we roll in Manila.
#parasabayan
49 Comment
I think coach Chot and the rest of the coaching staff knows better.
BalasAnd that is why we will rally behind them 110% moving forward.
Balasmas gusto mo ba na makalaban China, Iran o South Korea sa QFs ?
BalasSa Asia rankings -
1- China
2- Iran
3- Lebanon
4- Jordan
5- Korea (0 wins pa and RP ayon sa article mo)
Kung matalo tayo sa QFs wala na. Pero kung sa semis makapasok, may 2 chances para makapasok sa top 3.
Exactly. We chose Group A. Chances of facing the Terrible Trio in QF is much higher because of this. We have to go 6-0 and finish atop Group E to avoid the Terrible Trio. If we had chosen D, we would have avoided them 100% in the QF.
Balasnice article..
BalasWe should not base it with past results. This is a new and much improved gilas lineup. Besides, the WHOLE team including the players made this decision to be in group A. Mas alam nila yan kesa sa ating supporters. Let's just support them from start to finish. Laban Pilipinas!
Balasmakes sense :)
BalasAll teams naman are beatable. So why rely on luck, na sana di makaharap ang ganto, ang ganyan. Di ganyan mga Pinoy, maski sino pa yan, wag urungan. Ang goal naman talaga natin is to WIN all games. diba?
BalasIt doesnt matter come game time. The important thing is our boys know their identity and we rally behind them. Enough with that avoidance stuff. Let our boys play against the very best in Asia. It'll be so much sweeter if they win even against all those odds.
BalasGood article... very enlightening. thanks.
Balaspalagay ko nman mas alam ng gilas coaching staff ang kanilang ginagawa
BalasOne comment here says "we should not base it with past results"
BalasI say, it is only logical, to base it with past results. That's how scientists and accountants and engineers do their thing, using past results.
This is the most logical and intellectually disarming sports article I've ever read.
I do think, that Coach Chot intends to play all his cards and risk the Group E teams. He wants tough competition (not as tough as Iran/China/SoKor) early on. And he will have it
I also think that Coach Chot wants to observe and study China and Iran and SoKor playing against each other early on. Though I doubt he will have enough time for that
And he wants to expose their weaknesses
And I hope he does
I do hope all our players can do the job
If we chose group D and lost to the terrible trio in group F, it wouldn't be good for the morale of the team to head into the QF riding a 3-game losing streak.
BalasRegardless of the group, we'll crush them in August. Looking forward to beat South Korea in the QF!
1st round di nila makakaharap terrible trio pero 2nd round makakaharap din kaagad nila kung sa group d sila. well, sa mga susunod na laban bka yan terrible trio na mga iyan ang umiwas sa gilas noh. muntik na nga sila dati sa atin eh malalaki lng sila pero kapag natapatan didikitan natin yan at baka mahulog pa yan sa laban
Balaskaya na yan ng gilas last fiba asia nga nadidikitan pa natin sila kahit malalaki eh now pa kaya may bigmen na rin tayo na pwde dumepensa sa mga bigmen nila. mas magaling kaya tayo magbasketball dinaan lang nila sa laki eh
BalasGreat artcle and nice read:) I think the coaching staff already did there home work and choosen group A.. will just have to help them as fans by giving support coming august and pray to reach the top 3.. LABAN SA BAYAN GO GILAS PILIPINAS!
BalasJust thinking of certain scenario sir Enzo.. Pasagot naman po.. If we sweep group a and all group b qualifiers comes in to group e with 1-1 record.. Does that allow us to have 1 loss and still clinch #1 going to knockout phase? Thanks.. Go gilas!!!!!
BalasGot the logic of your article and it really makes sense. I agree with all the probable scenarios you mentioned. It's kinda scary...I just hope it won't happen come August. As we all agree, being Filipinos, we just have to pray and hope lady luck will be on our side from start to finish (meaning Top 1 or at least on the top 3 to qualify at the end of the day) Let's do our share, whatever it is, to see our Gilas team and the Filipino nation succeed and show the whole world that we are no pushovers when it comes to basketball. Reclaim the lost GLORY!
BalasGuys thanks for all the comments! I love how the comments reflect our collective desire to help and support the NT! Go Gilas! Go Pilipinas!
BalasThe 12th pick has come for the Philippines.
BalasPot B was filled with 'dark-knights' Japan, Qatar & Lebanon while C has powerhouses China, Iran & Korea. We were now down to choose between 2 groups and selecting Group A over D was a tough choice to make.
Clearly, the choice was achievable yet competitive. Maybe the coaching don't want the team to be over confident crushing lower rank teams. We would prefer a gradual playing system as the tournament progresses. Competitive level rises every game. Another consideration would be to stay away from the 3 Giants (China, Iran, Korea) as much as possible while preserving our conditioning.
It was indeed a strategically-logical however somewhat emotional choice for Gilas Pilipinas. Remember in the SF of FIBA Asia Championship 2011 in Wuhan? It was a heart-breaker -- a frustrating 75-61 defeat from Jordan. And of course the rift between 2 nations & Jones Cup withdrawal coupled with us not being able to defend our title. Emotions should not get the better of ourselves. We still have to play hard and stay grounded. With that, it is safe to say that we are in an ideal situation of a possible top finish in the 1st Round.
In my own honest opinion, our very first game should be against Saudi Arabia in a test-the-water game. So that will leave Jordan & Taipei for their own respective match-up. An easy 1-0 right there. Then comes Chinese-Taipei & Jordan cruising to a 3-0 slate. An exhausting likely hard-fought first round encounter. But no worries; its rest day afterwards.
Group E could be composed of the Philippines, Lebanon, Japan, Jordan also with Qatar & Chinese-Taipei.
In order for us to qualify for the next stage, we have to be wary of the tough teams from Group B and should rack up as many wins and wind up unbeaten, securing a knockout match against Group F's 4th placer (might be Kazakhstan).
Additional pressure will mount Gilas Pilipinas as they've matched their previous FIBA Asia stint and just a win away from a booked ticket to Spain.
The hosting privileges will set-in during the Semifinals of the competition. Pinoys will loudly cheer 'GI-LAS! GI-LAS! GI-LAS!' whoever they may face against. Hopefully, a one kapit-bisig nation will support the Philippine National Team this coming August for them to bring the pride back of our country's lost glory in the basketball world.
From: AJ
Effective ang The Dribble-Drive Motion Offense is very efficient as a system for Gilas. The team will be getting accustomed to not be selfish or ballhog as the system needs to be continously flowing in reaction to the defense applied by the opposing team. Proper spacing should go along with it for them to gain productive results.
BalasHere's me own opinion observing the development of our squad as fan's perspective with regards to the offensive strengths of our team's arsenal:
A. For a 1-2-2 Set
(Penetrate-Oriented 3 guards 2 forwards)
Jason
Gary
Jeff
Ranidel
Beau
B. For a 2-2-1 Set
(Suitable 2 guards 2 forwards 1 post)
LA
Gabe
Japeth
Ping
Junemar
C. For Pick 'n Dish Off Hand Off Set
LA (on-ball)
Gary (off-ball)
Ranidel (screen-pop)
Ping (screen-roll)
Marcus (top screen-rebounder)
D. For a 5-Out Set
(Best Wing Shooters to Counter Zone Defense)
Gabe
Jeff
Larry
Ranidel
Beau
E. Game Close Out Rotation
Jason/LA
Gabe/Ping
Ranidel
Junemar/Japeth
Marcus
*Jimmy Alapag is a mismatch on the defensive side that other teams can take full advantage of because of his height against taller players but should still be around the bench for assistant coaching duties.
From: AJ
great read. very well-researched. go pinas!
BalasYes, we will meet them in Group F (Second Round). We have a near-100% chance of making the top 4 in that Group even if we lose to all three. And then we will 100% NOT face them in the knockout QF. Whereas in Group E, we are 50-50 against all the contenders, and we HAVE to finish 1st seed to avoid the Terrible Trio.
BalasChances of making the QF and NOT facing the Terrible Trio if we chose Group D? BIG.
Chances of making the QF and NOT facing the Terrible Trio now that we chose Group A? TINY.
Still, tama tayong lahat. Kahit anong mangyari, suportahan ang Gilas Pilipinas! (Just like what the last portion of the post expresses)
Agree 100%.
BalasNow this argument is valid. I think the coaches also considered going into a battle with Jordan/Qatar after three losses and whether this was good. The thing is, while we may win most of the games in Group E, we are assured that ALL of those games are going to be ABSOLUTE HELL. No "downtime" games to recover or catch our breath. Still. go Gilas!
BalasIn theory yes, unless we get tied with the team who beat us at the end of the 2nd round. If THAT happens, the other team gets to be #1 and we're #2.
BalasThe coaching staff probably put into consideration that if we lost to Kazahkstan on the 1st round then there is a very big chance that we wont be able to make it in the quarters. By choosing group A we would probably top that group or at least at 2nd so chances are we will qualify for the quarters. You are right though, if we would not be able to top the 2nd round then that would mean a knockout game between gilas and either of China, Iran, and Sokor and who knows if Kazahkstan is really going to play (plays really great) then its bigger headache for us.
BalasThe argument about losing to KAZ can be made about any of the Group E teams. All the Group E teams are stronger and healthier than KAZ, so I find it really difficult to buy into that argument. If we stand a chance to lose to KAZ, we stand a greater chance to lose against the other FIVE Group E teams.
Balasif we lose to KAZ, then every single one of the games against chi,kor,iri are knockout games, it will be 3 consecutive games with pressure to win or go home early in the elimination, they avoided unnecessary complication, plus eventhough we have not heard much of KAZ in intl. comp. their are capable of sending a tall and decent team, the fact that there not much info about them is what makes them dangerous
Balasmahirap kung sa group D tayo baka mamaya matsambahan pa ng kazakhstan, baka mahirapan pang mag 4th Gr f, saka sa group a and b phi ang pinakamalakas, malakas tong bagong ph NT kompleto na sa bigs pos. 4 and 5 may shooters, may slasher si castro, kulang na lang malaking tao sa wing pang match din sa tres ng kalaban na 6'4-6'8 ang tangkad, sayang sana si dilinger kaso injured
BalasThis is the thing -- why are we so afraid of a KAZ upset when EVERY SINGLE TEAM in GROUP E (TPE, JOR, JPN, QAT, LIB) is much stronger than KAZ? If we stand to lose against KAZ, then all the more with the other teams in GROUP E.
BalasThe FACT is our team is playing AT HOME, with a DEEP & BALANCED ROSTER (like you pointed out), and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, against an opponent that hasn't played together in a FIBA Asia tourney in THREE YEARS. Why are we more afraid of losing to this team than losing to MUCH STRONGER teams in GROUP E?!
And, right now, we cannot assume we are the BEST in GROUP E. Have we played any of the teams in that group with their current roster AND naturalized players?
NOPE. Not a single one. And, AGAIN, all five GROUP E squads are DEEPER than KAZ.
To illustrate, look at the current FIBA Asia Rankings. Among the contenders, we are NINTH, and the only contender lower than us is KAZ. And who did we choose to avoid because "baka mastambahan tayo?"
KAZ.
Picking Group A is a bold move, but a MUCH MUCH RISKIER move.
Let's say we joined Group D and went 3rd or 4th in group F. We have to face Qatar or Jordan in the QFs. Those are not sure-win games. So whether we're in A or D doesn't really matter, what matters is we show up and be at our best because we're facing tough competition either way.
BalasPUSO LANG YAN MGA KAPATID. IF YOU WILL WORK HARD EVERY GAME. KAYA NG PINOY YAN. HOME COURT ADVANTAGE AT BAWAL ANG MAY KABOG SA DIBDIB...
BalasPLAY YOUR A GAME GILAS
Of course it matters. REALLY MATTERS. That justifies just how much time the Gilas coaches (coach Norman & Nash) spent on the floor thinking about which group to join. It matters because of so many factors like building momentum for the next round, or fatigue of the players, or simply playing a team the coaches believe against whom they match-up well. IT MATTERS.
BalasThe thing about showing up and being at our best matters, too, of course, but given how tough and talented and decorated the Gilas players & coaches are, all those go without saying.
We can count on them giving their best. They WILL GIVE THEIR BEST.
An we will support them no matter what.
But the point is, THIS CHOICE -- joining Group A -- still matters.
PS
I don't know about you, but I would rather prepare for a QF knockout match against either QAT or JOR rather than IRI, CHN, or KOR. Tough competition all around, yes, but, again, at that critical juncture, a team will have to look at possible match-ups and whom they would rather face. It's just strategic, off-the-court stuff, but, siyempre, on the court, todo nag laban.
Oh and though I disagree with you on a couple of points, thank you for commenting :)
Go Pinas!
You have an excellent point. Pero baka na-take into consideration din nila ang current roster ng teams na makakaharap natin.
BalasJordan will be a different team without Daghles and Abbas, who are reportedly not going to play this FIBA Asia. Ok, Taiwan now has a naturalized player in the works but we have been beating these guys even us without a naturalized player AND in their home floor every year in recent times (Jones' Cup). It's not that I am belittling them but....we just won't lose to them. Then we go to group E. You're right, Lebanon is a mess right now and our chances of beating them are really high right now. Qatar will be a different team because a lot of their African-Qataris are now gone. This team will be way weaker than the previous Qatar teams. The team to REALLY look out for is Japan. If we top the group, we will avoid the Terrible Trio.
Sa kabila naman: Kazakhstan is a scary team because no one really knows them. NT players nila mostly naglalaro sa Astana club team na nagcocompete sa Europe. So expect a sort of Euro-style team in terms of style, skill and SIZE. India and Bahrain are automatic Ws. Then next round: South Korea, Iran and China. Yun lang. Kung malaglag tayo dito pa lang.....
IMO, if we chose Group D, there is a greater chance na hindi tayo makapasok sa QF compared sa current group natin. If Kazakstan beats us in the groups stages, we are doomed. While in group A going to group E, I can say na ang mga teams eh halos evenly matched, kaya talunin ang isa't-isa.
Good article by the way. Keep it up! #LabanPilipinas
Great points all around, too, though I feel the need to clarify some things.
BalasAs of this writing, it's 100% sure Sam Daghlas will join the Jordan NT, and, at least last I heard, Zaid Abbas is leaning towards doing the same. Yes, this is contrary to what they declared earlier in the year about retiring or resting from FIBA Asia ball, but I guess the underwhelming performance of Jordan in the WABA games got to them. Needless to say, we have to assume Jordan will be at full strength.
Taiwan will always be a wild card. I remember Gilas leading by double-digits in last year's FIBA Asia Cup against them, but the Taiwanese made a late run to put a scare into the Pinoys. We have to remember that Taiwan's main guns -- Wu Tai-Hao, Tien Lei, Tseng Wen-Ting, Lin Chi-Chieh, and Lee Hsueh-Lin -- are all in their prime now, and that up-and-coming super scorer Jet Chang has been on a tear. Add Quincy Davis there and anything can pretty much happen. I'm infinitely more nervous about them than KAZ. We often beat TPE, yes, but we rarely blow them out. They will play us tough.
I agree with the case of Lebanon. I think that the worst scenario for them is no Fadi, no Julian Khazzouh, and no Ahmad Ibrahim. Still, they have enough talent to put a decent team on the floor. The Lebanese didn't have any of those three guys in 2011, and they still finished 6th overall. They will always be dangerous.
What I strongly disagree with is Qatar. Despite losing several African "imports," most notably Targuy/Tanguy Ngombo, this is still a pretty dangerous squad -- dangerous enough to have finished third in the 2012 FIBA Asia Cup, beating Gilas in the battle for the bronze. And a couple of the guys who were deemed ineligible in 2011 were, in fact, reinstated, most notably Mansour El-Hadary -- their chief playmaker. With the possibility of NBAer Jarvis Hayes as their reinforcement, this team is good enough to top Group E.
Japan is going to be plenty tough, too, mainly because the frontline pairing of Kosuke Takeuchi and JR Sakuragi is money. They complement each other so well. Having said that, I don't think they will finish in the top 2 of Group E. I think those spots will be fought over by Qatar, a full-strength Jordan, or maybe the Philippines. The thing with the Japanese is their new coach, Kimikazu Suzuki, might not be able to utilize a key salient strength of its roster, which is outside shooting. With Kosuke Kanamaru, Naoto Tsuji, Yuya Nagayoshi, and maybe KJ Matsui, Suzuki has a group of pure shooters most other Asian teams would envy. BUT his style is more focused on penetration and big-man play, so I doubt if Japan can truly meet its potential. Of course, we're bound to see more when Gilas and Team Hayabusa tangle in three exhibition games later this month.
As for Kazakhstan, I am honestly not anxious about them. If our chances against the E teams are maybe 50-50 or 60-40, I would peg our chances against the Kazakhs at around 80-20. Majority of their NT players DO NOT compete with BC Astana in the VTB United League. The really good ones like Anton Ponomarev and Rustan Yargaliev do play in Astana, but they're not even really maximized because of the imports. The keys will be two new guys who will be included in the NT -- Alex Zhigulin of FCB Regal in Spain and Anatoly Bose/Kolesnikov of Astana (not sure if he will be eligible under the FIBA rules, though, since he is half-Australian). Also, impending naturalized player Jerry Johnson might be dangerous.
All things considered, I remain steadfast in saying choosing Group D would have been a less risky pick, but I am one with everyone in supporting Gilas all the way.
Go Gilas!
sir enzo, i know its a bit off topic pero medyo malapit din... its been said that our goal is to get any of top 3 slots for worlds.. but if we dream to win the fiba asia tourney we have to go through either iran or china eventually... whats the popular opinion and your own personal opinion po? who does gilas want to meet preferebly in a crucial game... china or iran? thanks... more power to hoopnut... GO GILAS PILIPINAS!!!!
Balasbeg to disagree, this is basketball not science nor accounting lol.. this time you can actually throw every past away because of some circumstances that the author himself said on this article...This batch of Phil team i do think is much more stronger than the strongest we had formed since we first joined the international competitions..And yes, Some of the teams will be stronger now, and some stronger teams will be weaker due to some reasons like you have stated above...Personally i believe that the only team we should be scary for us to face is china...though i could say that we are at par with them...Coach chot and the rest of the coaching staff knows much more than any of us..We are good, the system and the materials that we had can beat any team in asia right now..Assuming china will rank #1 at group f, most probably we wont be finishing fourth at group E and we wont face them early on..I do believe thou that we will rank first at group e and we will be facing the kazaks at the quarterfinals....and so what if its sokor or iran...Lets bring it on,..!!!
BalasI think you are just simply contradicting you very own self at some points sir. facing Qatar,jordan or whoever from group e is not that different from facing sokor or iran. You said some factors like building some momentum for the next tougher round but then hey, if we will lose against your so called trio early on which you actually assumed then where can you find the momentum there?You are actually taking that away from them.And facing them early on isnt an early fatigue and stress for you?Coaching staff chose the group because they know better..Youll never know till you see it this august.
Balaswishing the best for the filipinos, whatever group the are into it doest matter now!
eh sa kabila naman puro magagaling din -- qatar, japan, etc lahat yan magagaling. pinili ata nila yung grupong mas maraming magagaling kaysa dun sa isa. agree ako sa writer, pero suppoortahan na lang kahit ano mangyari
BalasI believe it's only reasonable to accept that looking at past results is an integral part of any logical or scientific analysis, which can be applied to a host of various disciplines, including sports. When the actual game does start, then, yes, the result will ultimately be up to the players and the coaches, but I suppose we all know that these players and coaches prepare for these games by dissecting footage, stats, player tendencies, and all these things, right? All of which, of course, are DIFFERENT FORMS OF PAST RESULTS.
BalasI know for a fact coach Norman Black consulted a record of our "history" with each FIBA Asia contender before making the decision. This much he told me when he asked for my help in producing a scouting report (due next week). Should be fun compiling all the stats and profiles of the different teams. Of course, it goes without saying, I will be using PAST RESULTS for that, too.
One of the things I mentioned to coach Norman when we did talk (right before the Ateneo-DLSU Dream Game 2) was that I thought they should have chosen Group D. He admitted how much pressure he and coach Nash Racela felt at that moment and that they really had to make a super tough choice. At the end of the day, Gilas chose a second round Group with FIVE QF contenders instead of a Group that had just FOUR.
Coach Norman also said they felt they had a stronger chance going against either SoKor or KAZ in the QF rather than the prospect of facing JOR or QAT. I disagreed with him on that point, but I assured him that I'd do my part by producing the scouting report and that he could count on ALL PINOYS supporting Gilas moving forward.
On the issue of Gilas being the strongest team ever assembled, I have to say I am not thoroughly convinced that is true. I would wager that the Northern Consolidated Team featuring Chip Engeland and Dennis Still or the 1988 Asian Games NT featuring Allan Caidic, Mon Fernandez, and Jawo would both be favored if they matched up with the current Gilas boys. Yes, even with Douthit there. In terms of size, especially if Greg Slaughter doesn't get cut, this is the best we have ever produced -- the only teams that can approximate this one's size are the 1998 Centennial Team (Marlou Aquino, Andy Seigle, EJ Feihl, and Dennis Espino were all 6'7 or taller) and the 2011 Smart-Gilas squad (Douthit, Japeth, Asi, and Kelly were all listed as 6'7 or taller) -- but I am not so sure about the other aspects. I think maybe Caidic and Engeland were the two best shooters to ever grace the FIBA Asia game. I think Jawo, in his prime, could outplay LA, Jimmy, or Jayson. All things considered, our current Gilas team, at least from my perspective, isn't the GOAT, but, in all honesty, it is good enough to qualify for the 2014 FIBA World Cup. The thing is, there are also NINE other teams who are also good enough to qualify. What I'm anxious about is this: we're good enough to win the whole thing, but the possibility of not even making the QF is also very real. Buti na lang talaga, homecourt tayo. I hope we can all help Gilas maximize this perceived advantage.
In the end, we're all on the same team. Agree to disagree, different viewpoints, iba't-ibang pinanggagalingan pero iisang bangka tayo (naks that's a The Dawn reference!). Go Gilas! Go Pilipinas!
Angas, ser enzo! Hope you can help Gilas out! :)
BalasKaya pinili ng Gilas coaches ang group A kasi kailangan pa nilang mag practice sa elimination, pagdating ng Quater Finals gamay na nila ang laro.
Balascouldn't agree more.
BalasI agree with joining Group A. Why? very simple, we have the element of surpise come knockout rounds if we indeed make it. Ngaung may back-up bigman na tayo, pwede na tayong maglaro ng MALAKI. Hindi sanay ang ibang team na may malaki tayo. From the past, pagkatapos ng sentro, wala na tayong malaki na pwede pamalit, kaya laging small ball tayo. Takbuhan, dribble drive, pero ngaun, Chot can mix it up to keep the other teams guessing. Malaking factor yun, kasi ngaung time na pwede mong ma-scout ang isang team through internet, wala ka ng maitatago pa. Nkita na nila lahat, kilala mo na kalaban mo. So ang malaking factor, ung pang gulat once in awhile na pwedeng magbago sa complexion ng game. In addition, they just want to avoid clashing with South Korea, kontrapelo natin to, mas gugustuhin ko pang makalaban ang Iran sa Knockout rounds kesa dito. Opinion lang.
BalasYour right sir mas complicated ang group D kasi we do not know kazakstan well as a team unlike in group A @ B all of these teams ma scout natin and evenly matched..
Balasmarlou aquino should be re-activated to play for world fiba 2014...i think he can be a big factor playing defense against the big guys...we also need 3 allan caidics...
Balastanga ka noh. kung group d tayo. sweep. pag group f. eh.. 3-3 tayo. pag QF or SF or 3rd & 4th places. DEADBOL TAYO!!! maganda nga pag group A. as of august 1-11. we have a record of 7-2 because we are in group a. nakaabot pa tayo sa finals and sa WC. so mas tanga ka kung group d. kahit madali lang diyan. pagdating sa group F, QF, SF, wala na.
Balascomment made nearly 5 months after the fact. hindsight is amazing, isn't it?
Balas